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		<title>Antony Green: fix link</title>
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		<updated>2007-10-28T22:29:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;fix link&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l7&quot; &gt;Line 7:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Do you mean no article on the [[Phoneme]], or do you mean no articles on individual phonemes, like [[voiced bilabial stop]] and [[high front tense unrounded vowel]]? I certainly agree there should be an article [[Phoneme]], and its omission from this list is far more likely by accident than design. As for individual phonemes, I'm less sure. Wikipedia has a separate article on every sound that has its own IPA character, but most of them are extremely short, and I'm not always convinced of their usefulness. —[[User:Antony Green|Tonio]] ([[User talk:Antony Green|tɔk tə mi]]) 07:30, 28 October 2007 (CET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Do you mean no article on the [[Phoneme]], or do you mean no articles on individual phonemes, like [[voiced bilabial stop]] and [[high front tense unrounded vowel]]? I certainly agree there should be an article [[Phoneme]], and its omission from this list is far more likely by accident than design. As for individual phonemes, I'm less sure. Wikipedia has a separate article on every sound that has its own IPA character, but most of them are extremely short, and I'm not always convinced of their usefulness. —[[User:Antony Green|Tonio]] ([[User talk:Antony Green|tɔk tə mi]]) 07:30, 28 October 2007 (CET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::Articles on individual phonemes such as [[voiced bilabial stop]] would not fulfill the criteria for [[&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;dictionary articles|&lt;/del&gt;Glottopedia:Dictionary articles/Technical terms]], because they are compositional complex expressions. One could conceivably have [[Glottopedia:Survey articles|survey articles]] about them, but it seems unlikely that they would be found very useful. Note that similarly in syntax, one would not have articles on ''interrogative passive clause'', or ''plural noun phrase''. Of course, the fact that [[phoneme]] was omitted from the list was a pure accident.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 17:59, 28 October 2007 (CET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::Articles on individual phonemes such as [[voiced bilabial stop]] would not fulfill the criteria for [[Glottopedia:Dictionary articles/Technical terms&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;|dictionary articles&lt;/ins&gt;]], because they are compositional complex expressions. One could conceivably have [[Glottopedia:Survey articles|survey articles]] about them, but it seems unlikely that they would be found very useful. Note that similarly in syntax, one would not have articles on ''interrogative passive clause'', or ''plural noun phrase''. Of course, the fact that [[phoneme]] was omitted from the list was a pure accident.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 17:59, 28 October 2007 (CET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Antony Green</name></author>
		
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		<title>Haspelmath at 16:59, 28 October 2007</title>
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		<updated>2007-10-28T16:59:21Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Do you mean no article on the [[Phoneme]], or do you mean no articles on individual phonemes, like [[voiced bilabial stop]] and [[high front tense unrounded vowel]]? I certainly agree there should be an article [[Phoneme]], and its omission from this list is far more likely by accident than design. As for individual phonemes, I'm less sure. Wikipedia has a separate article on every sound that has its own IPA character, but most of them are extremely short, and I'm not always convinced of their usefulness. —[[User:Antony Green|Tonio]] ([[User talk:Antony Green|tɔk tə mi]]) 07:30, 28 October 2007 (CET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Do you mean no article on the [[Phoneme]], or do you mean no articles on individual phonemes, like [[voiced bilabial stop]] and [[high front tense unrounded vowel]]? I certainly agree there should be an article [[Phoneme]], and its omission from this list is far more likely by accident than design. As for individual phonemes, I'm less sure. Wikipedia has a separate article on every sound that has its own IPA character, but most of them are extremely short, and I'm not always convinced of their usefulness. —[[User:Antony Green|Tonio]] ([[User talk:Antony Green|tɔk tə mi]]) 07:30, 28 October 2007 (CET)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::Articles on individual phonemes such as [[voiced bilabial stop]] would not fulfill the criteria for [[dictionary articles|Glottopedia:Dictionary articles/Technical terms]], because they are compositional complex expressions. One could conceivably have [[Glottopedia:Survey articles|survey articles]] about them, but it seems unlikely that they would be found very useful. Note that similarly in syntax, one would not have articles on ''interrogative passive clause'', or ''plural noun phrase''. Of course, the fact that [[phoneme]] was omitted from the list was a pure accident.--[[User:Haspelmath|Haspelmath]] 17:59, 28 October 2007 (CET)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Antony Green at 06:30, 28 October 2007</title>
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		<updated>2007-10-28T06:30:55Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[User:Dkleinecke|Dkleinecke]] 00:06, 27 October 2007 (CEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[User:Dkleinecke|Dkleinecke]] 00:06, 27 October 2007 (CEST)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:Do you mean no article on the [[Phoneme]], or do you mean no articles on individual phonemes, like [[voiced bilabial stop]] and [[high front tense unrounded vowel]]? I certainly agree there should be an article [[Phoneme]], and its omission from this list is far more likely by accident than design. As for individual phonemes, I'm less sure. Wikipedia has a separate article on every sound that has its own IPA character, but most of them are extremely short, and I'm not always convinced of their usefulness. —[[User:Antony Green|Tonio]] ([[User talk:Antony Green|tɔk tə mi]]) 07:30, 28 October 2007 (CET)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<id>http://glottopedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:Phonetics_and_phonology&amp;diff=4387&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Dkleinecke: New page: This is really funny. Not only is there no article about phonemes, it isn't even listed as potential.  Or do you think phonemes are no part of phonology?  ~~~~</title>
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		<updated>2007-10-26T22:06:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;New page: This is really funny. Not only is there no article about phonemes, it isn&amp;#039;t even listed as potential.  Or do you think phonemes are no part of phonology?  ~~~~&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is really funny. Not only is there no article about phonemes, it isn't even listed as potential.&lt;br /&gt;
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Or do you think phonemes are no part of phonology?&lt;br /&gt;
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